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Poster: paolocasalis Date: Jun 21, 2009 1:30am
Forum: movies Subject: do we host terrorist movies?

what about this?
http://www.archive.org/details/HawnRamadi

it doesn't seen a great message to be spread...
and it seems archive has lot of this clips..
why don't you remove them?

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Poster: enola Date: Jun 21, 2009 7:55pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

There's been a lot of this propaganda uploaded to IA, and I hate to see this site turned into a proselytizing center under the guise of preserving "history". If it were up to me, this stuff would be gone.

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Poster: Dan L. Date: Jun 21, 2009 8:35pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

I was railing against this last year and there was a user TelephoneToughGuy who did a lot to try and control it

SUGGESTION: if you find any of these movies and find the content objectionable - report and flag it using the link on the item's page and it is usually taken down quite quickly. Raising red flags works

I asked for this stuff to be put in foreign language section, at the very least, but since IA is so 'open' there is no easy way to stop it, and it is time and labor intensive to screen everything prior to posting. How can one ensure this stuff doesn't get posted? TRacking e-mails, confirming memberships?

I've also had quite a few posts/messages about the free-speech versus historical value issue and aspects of the debate. No easy answers here... I want this stuff out, but I hate censorship too... I can't decide anymore. When free speech becomes incitement to violence, yes it is dangerous and should not be ignored, Unfortunately there are no easy fixes - education, openness and tolerance, as usual, are the long term answers to our problems but are all in short supply.

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Poster: Deeceer Date: Jul 21, 2009 1:55am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

You should make up your mind and do it soon. These sort of films are not 'historical' records - they are current threats of violence. They pollute the Archive.

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Poster: ajinic Date: Aug 11, 2009 2:53pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

please what do u understand by terrorist movies look u know .
what u have do this give your life to jesus and with god amen.
so therefore let relate into business before shopping right now ok.

thank you

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Poster: four hooves Date: Jun 26, 2009 4:18pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

IA should contact OFAC, the Office of Foreign Assets Control, to determine if blocking access to users from certain countries is required under the numerous laws that OFAC enforces. Some of these laws prohibit access to U.S. technology, certain cultural exchanges, and transacting any business with certain specially designated and/or blocked governments, entities and persons. OFAC is a federal agency which operates under the control and direction of the U.S. Treasury Department.

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Poster: Visual16 Date: Jun 22, 2009 3:23am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

On youtube, you can find German WWII films convincing people to "fight to the end" etc. This jihadist stuff is equally interesting from historical perspecive. But if the titles are in ?non-ascii lettering then I can't really search for anything on them anyway. So it sort of clogs up open-source movies from my perspective. I think if the titles are in Iraqi, they should get boxed up in another section.

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Poster: jonc Date: Jun 22, 2009 8:26am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

Much of it gets moved to the Iraq War collection (non-English):

http://www.archive.org/details/iraq_middleeast

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Poster: Kevin VandeWettering Date: Jun 21, 2009 2:36am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

They were just deer hunting.....

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Poster: jonc Date: Jun 21, 2009 9:18pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

Read about the purpose of the Archive on the About page:

http://www.archive.org/about/about.php

It was founded to "build an Internet library, with the purpose of offering permanent access for researchers, historians, and scholars to historical collections that exist in digital format."

Its main purpose isn't to spread a happy message or conform to cultural standards or to entertain people, although there's a lot to be found in the latter. The Jihadist movement, as hideous as it is to most of us, is a very important development in our time. You can also find Leni Rienstahl's "Triumph of the Will" and D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" in the Feature Films. These also offend many people, but their place in history is not disputed.

This openness may be abused in this case. Jihadists and terrorists are aware of it and take advantage of it. But banning this content would not be consistent with the stated purpose of the Archive.

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Poster: straycat111 Date: Jul 31, 2009 10:55am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

"jonc:
You can also find Leni Rienstahl's "Triumph of the Will" and D.W. Griffith's "Birth of a Nation" in the Feature Films."

Using that criteria the correct action would be to remove terrorist recruitment videos for approx 60-100 years and see if they meet the Riefenstahl/Griffith standard after the time has passed.

For those concerned about the hosting of such videos there is the option of noting the videos, copying their internet addresses and then just giving a heads up to the nearest local FBI office, since it investigates any terrorist related activity.

The locator for local FBI offices can be found here:

http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm

Or, to submit a report online:

"FBI Tips and Public Leads"

https://tips.fbi.gov


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Poster: jonc Date: Jul 31, 2009 12:50pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: do we host terrorist movies?

Where would they be retained in the meantime? This information is useful to anyone studying Jihadism and the mindset and extremism of its militant followers. It has value now, and will 10, 20 and 50 years from now. I am sure the FBI is fully aware of its presence here; I would not be surprised if they used it for training anti-terrorist agents.